Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: I like to think about people pleasing and the relationship with your intuition as being like your best friend. She offers you advice and she's telling you what's up. She's got your total best interests in mind and you keep telling her to shut up and you keep ghosting her. You keep ignoring her advice, she's going to stop talking to you. And so that, over time, is what people pleasing does. And it's really a fancy way of outsourcing your self worth.
[00:00:28] Speaker B: Welcome to the Society Gal podcast, where trailblazing female entrepreneurs and creatives come together to spark change and build their dreams. This is where your passion meets purpose. And together we're crafting a future where everyone has the tools to succeed.
Hello and welcome everybody to the Society Go podcast. We are so excited to have Meg with us today to talk all about how to protect your most valuable resources, time, energy and attention. We're going to dig into boundaries too. So there's really great lessons in here for all of us entrepreneurs listening. Meg, tell us about you. Tell us about how you got to this place of helping others do this in their life and business. Yeah.
[00:01:13] Speaker A: Thank you. I'm so delighted to be here. So my story is actually, I'm sure everybody has a version of this story. You are working to achieve some sort of conventional success and you get there and you're like, this isn't really what I want.
So my story is a variation on that theme. I have a psychology degree, a PhD. I worked for a policy research firm for 10 years and I just got really burnt out. It's the same story, right? You work yourself so much. I got so burnt out that I started working with a coach and she asked me what we should work on and I said, I really want to start helping other women with this same sort of thing. I started a side hustle and it grew from there. I had a moment where I was like, I absolutely do not want to do my 9 to 5 anymore. I want to do this other thing. I want to help women and hopefully prevent them from getting to that advanced stage of burnout that I was at. I just felt really separated from what I think I was put here to do. And that's the mission my entire career coaching philosophy, helping reconnect women, the path and with the things and ideas and people that light them up.
[00:02:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:02:31] Speaker A: Pretty standard burnout story, but that's what brought me here.
[00:02:34] Speaker B: Awesome. I love that. And I love how you have your past experience in psychology too, that all that knowledge contributes to where you are now.
[00:02:43] Speaker A: At the beginning I'll be honest, I was like, oh man, I feel like I'm starting over. As I started to get more into the entrepreneur journey, I was like, oh no, I know all about that. Let me pull that in. I would recommend to anybody listening if you feel like you're starting over, there's no such thing. Because you can always weave together your skills and your experiences.
[00:03:05] Speaker B: Exactly. Just harness them and focus them in a different way. Exactly. I love that. Awesome. So let's talk a little about people pleasing because I know this is a really big one, especially for us women entrepreneurs. I'm sure that's a lot more common in women entrepreneurs that we struggle with being in this entrepreneurial world. Why is people pleasing so damaging to us long term? Because oftentimes I think we're always in the moment just here. But looking at the broader spectrum of our business, of our life, why is it something we need to work on now?
[00:03:35] Speaker A: Yeah. Okay. So the real reason that people pleasing is so damaging to us long term is because it really severs our connection with our intuition. And our intuition has served us very well in our lives over time. It really creates a sense of sort of resentment. It's like putting someone else before your own needs all the time and considering their perspectives, anticipating needs, that's a big one too. I know that this person is going to need this thing, so let me just offer it. Even that can be people pleasing as well. I like to think about people pleasing the relationship with your intuition as being like your best friend. She offers you advice and she's like telling you what's up, she's got your total best interest in mind and you keep like telling her to shut up and you keep ghosting her. You keep ignoring her advice, she's going to stop talking to you. And so that over time is what people pleasing does. And it's really a fancy way of outsourcing your self worth. I am seeking validation in another way rather than listening to what I deeply want in this situation. So really damaging long term and over time, that trusting of your intuition, it's like a muscle. You have to practice it and you have to understand how to apply that intuition. And if you keep suppressing it and if you keep putting other people's agenda does above your own well being, it's no good, just creates resentment.
[00:05:17] Speaker B: And when you talk about resentment, I feel like it's also the other way around. People will start resenting you where like you feel resentment, but then people who you treat that way start resenting you. No matter how Much you give them. Is that what you come up?
[00:05:32] Speaker A: Yeah, it's that line between respect.
Right. It's more of a respect thing. If someone's just a sycophant and just totally trying to serve your every need, that's not the kind of people that you really want to associate with because it just feels weird over time. People know the people pleasers and they don't respect them because I don't know, it's a weird social dynamic because in.
[00:06:03] Speaker B: My experience where I was in a people pleasing mode, I noticed that the more I did that. But you're giving everything to somebody so that you expect them to respect you. And you're like, why am I not getting this respect when I'm giving everything? And I think that's that like whole opposite effect of you're giving them everything. There's not really boundaries, there's not really any of that leadership in it or knowing that you know yourself or confidence within you. So where someone can respect you, in my experience, you find people that are more willing to take advantage of you, willing to ask more of you cross boundaries because you're willing to give everything and there's nothing that you will not give.
[00:06:43] Speaker A: Yeah. And I think that's what I was talking about when it comes to the outsourcing self worth thing. If you're doing all the things for all the people, you think that's a way they will love and appreciate you. But actually you are just double crossing yourself. You are undercutting your own value. And like I always say about boundaries, you are always teaching people how to treat you. If you treat your boundaries like they can be crossed any which way, or especially in an entrepreneurial context too, if you offer something for a certain price and then you're discounting the price, devaluing it, that's what you're doing, right? Like they see that you're devaluing your own work. And so I think I certainly struggled with that as an entrepreneur is I want to give them all the things and they will absolutely love the value. But it's so fascinating that over giving does not equal in any way, shape or form love appreciation value. So you're right. It is a very interesting.
[00:07:47] Speaker B: I love how you said, yeah, we teach people how they can treat us. I love when you said that when we were prepping this as well. It's like my favorite quote from you, let's dig into boundaries because this is, this is the solution. Because when I was doing this or when most people do this, you feel like you are Creating boundaries. You feel like there is some kind of control because you feel like you're controlling the situation. That's how I felt. I feel like I'm controlling it. I'm controlling their success because I'm giving my all. So why do most people unknowingly go about setting boundaries all wrong? What are we doing wrong with the boundaries when we think we're setting the right ones and what's happening there?
[00:08:22] Speaker A: Yeah, so boundaries. Oh, I love this topic so much because people, I think, fundamentally don't really understand the purpose of a boundary. And a lot of people have the misconception that a boundary is something that prevents the behavior of someone else or prevents something else from happening. And that is absolutely not a boundary. Is you setting the expectation of what you will do if a boundary is crossed. Right. So I like to think of them like if then statements. So if you are going to be late for dinner and you don't call, our family's going to eat without you. If your mother in law comes over unannounced and doesn't call first, you're not going to come to the door because that's obnoxious. Right. Like these are the kinds of things, if you don't get me your stuff to review by thus and so time, I am going to prioritize other things and I'll get to it when I get to it. People have an expectation that, like in the mother in law example, which is just my favorite easy example, someone comes over unannounced and you continue to let that happen, then setting the boundary creates this situation of okay, like you can do whatever you want, you can absolutely come over unannounced. I'm just not going to answer the door. And so I think it's a nuance, but it's really important because you're not ever going to prevent someone else's behavior. And another thing that I think people tend to get confused about in terms of boundaries is that when they enforce the boundary, they get caught up in the other person's emotional reaction or what the other person does. That should have no bearing on your.
[00:10:14] Speaker B: Boundary holding where people pleasing comes in pouring out.
[00:10:17] Speaker A: Yes. If you try to set a boundary and then your people pleasing takes over, you've actually done more harm than good because you've had that conversation with them. Hey, I don't want you to come over unannounced. I'm going to do this. If you come over unannounced and then don't enforce it, you've created ill will for no Reason something that I've seen happen a lot is that when people first start to set boundaries and they actually keep them, they hold them, people test boundaries. It's like a child, it's like a toddler, right? Like they'll test your boundaries. You should probably expect that and you should potentially expect some sort of like emotional reaction. But the thing is you're entitled to their emotional reaction to that. They're an autonomous human being, right? Their emotional reaction to this boundary that you're setting might be part of their learning, it might be part of their development trajectory. Don't take that from them, right? Have that conversation, talk through it with them after the fact, but don't let it impede your boundary holding. And one more note on that, because there's so much when you have a boundary and someone has a fit, right, like your mother in law just like freaks out and has a bad emotional reaction a lot of times, especially if you're a people pleaser, you feel compelled to craft a situation in which her positive emotional reaction is more likely. Do you try to create a situation where the other person won't be mad at you or won't be annoyed with you, or could not possibly potentially have any issue with it at all? And that process of trying to craft elements of a situation, that's actually manipulation.
That is the definition of, of manipulation. So I think flipping that script for people pleasers, like, I guarantee you all the people pleasers are like, I don't want to be manipulative.
[00:12:17] Speaker B: That's good.
[00:12:18] Speaker A: That's really what you're doing, is trying to smooth the path so that someone else doesn't have to have an emotional reaction about it.
[00:12:25] Speaker B: But that is, yeah, that's some really great insight on boundaries and really just about the emotion of like how much we don't have control over somebody else's reaction, only our own. And I think, oh my gosh, there's so much of us that just want to make sure everyone feels good, make sure they act well. And you know what, there's so much freedom when we're going to talk about in a minute, but there's so much freedom when you do do it correctly because people will respect that. And people. And you start disconnecting this if they react like this is just how if then. And I love how you explain that if this happens and this is what I'm going to do. And I love an example you gave when we were talking before, like a work example, which I think applies to everyone who's on here too, is for example, a lot of us have like work, working hours. A lot of entrepreneurs work 24, 7. And a lot of things that I've done in my own business is create actual like Monday through Thursday at this time. I'll reply, I'll reply within 36 hours. And sending those like little things up really helps people respect that. And I feel like all of us need to feel like we have to reply within 2 seconds or else someone's gonna get mad and all these things. And I feel like that's an expectation. I think there's also, in the entrepreneur world, we feel like these, these expectations that we must follow. And so we think, oh, there is something that just a rule that we have to follow and that's just not true. We can create our own business and how we want it to be set up and our own boundaries. We have a lot more control over that than we do.
[00:13:54] Speaker A: And I feel like that's a lot of the reason that entrepreneurs get into the entrepreneurial space too, is so that they can have the time and all this stuff. Yeah, I actually, I worked with a client recently who was really struggling with setting boundaries. And one of the things that was really bothering her was she worked a modified schedule so she could drop her kids off and pick them up. So it was super early skewed in, in her organization and she just really wanted to drop her kids off, come back and have an hour and just be able to decompress and do professional development, do quiet reading, like work stuff, but not be on teams, not be on email, whatever. And so we worked together and she's like, I feel if I could just have until 7:30am and then I'll start responding to emails. And it's literally as simple as putting up a note on your team. Say, I, I'm online, you may see me online, but I'll respond to your message at 7:30 when I get on. Or if you want to leave at 5:00. It's like someone brings you something at 4:45pm to review and you're like, oh, you know what, I actually sign off at 5:00. So I'll get to that first thing in the morning. That'll be the first thing that I review before anything else. Just little things like that. Like they do not have to be these monumental things, but the act of creating a boundary and sticking to it makes you so powerful. And I know people pleasers in particular are really reluctant to hold boundaries because especially in a work context or an entrepreneur context because they fear what might happen if they do, if they do hold this boundary. But if you think about, I love this example and this is not mine, I did not come up with this example. But I love this idea that you're adopting the mindset of a CEO.
So if you think about just your average run of the mill, so at a corporation somewhere, they absolutely do not accept everything that comes across their desk. They do not approve everything that comes across their desk. They say no a lot, they ignore a lot. And nobody is looking at them being like they're dropping the ball. No. They're like, no, she's got shit to do and she's got things that she needs to take care of. So we absolutely, we don't think anything of it. But when it comes to our own time, we need to start thinking like that because that's when you step into your power as someone who respects their own time and respects their own energy and knows that the downstream effect of respecting your time and energy is more productivity and better results for you. And I'm not a slave to productivity and I don't think that's the answer to anything, but it is like a benefit of really guarding your time and energy.
[00:17:02] Speaker B: Hey, this is Dana from Society Gal and I wanted to take a quick break to tell you about the Society Gal Academy, the exclusive membership that helps entrepreneurs like you launch, grow and scale your business. Join weekly expert led workshops, access to on demand courses and connect with a supportive network of go go getters just like you. Are you ready to elevate your business? Visit Society Gal Academy today. Yeah, and that speaks to just like why it's so important. Like it's, you said it's like the single most important factor to ensuring like a sustainable work life balance. And like you talked about, that CEO role is so important. It's really that word's put out there in the entrepreneurial space. But really think about how it is applying to this boundary setting and this respect and this leadership is how you show up in your business. Even, even if it's just you and your business, you are still the owner of the company. You still own that company, you're still leading it, you're still showing up in the world as a leader no matter what you're doing. And people see that. Family, friends, your customers see that. And I love how you said it's just these simple things that can allow this freedom and allow this balance with our family life and our work life. And so in this world of really just a lot of like pressure to compete, pressure to work Your life away.
Tell us how we can set some powerful boundaries to really protect our time, energy and attention. What, how can we do that now? And what are some simple ways to do that?
[00:18:33] Speaker A: Yeah, so I think the first thing is to really home in on what matters to you. That's the very first thing that you have to do. Does your family time matter to you? If so, you need to think, figure out what that ideally looks are. You just think about what's important to you because that has to be your anchor. But beyond that, I think once you do know what matters to you, what your priorities and values are, then you can craft what your boundaries will be. So for instance, if you value your time with your family, figure out what that looks like. Set a boundary around it. Hey, I'm going to sign off at 5 or 5:30, no exceptions. Not going to check email, whatever it is, but kind of hand in hand with setting a boundary, which setting a boundary is very simple. It's if this, then this, right? That's the formulas. If X happens, then I will Y action or inaction or whatever it is. But hand in hand with the boundaries is really learning how to say no. And people pleasers are really. This makes them break out into hives, right? Like saying no to people.
But the no response is so important. And first of all, if you are at that level and you can just say no, do it. Because that is the most powerful thing. Imagine walking up to somebody and asking for something and they just say no. And then boom. It's so powerful. We have to work up to it, a lot of us. So no, it does not have to be harsh. No does not have to be in your face or aggressive or defensive. None of that. It can be very kind and even gentle. But it's things like, thank you so much but now is really not a good time for me. Or I really appreciate that you thought of me for this opportunity, but I have been. I really need to focus on this now. Can you circle back or whatever it is? Right. The other thing I really recommend that people do is take a beat.
You do not have to answer instantaneously, especially if it's via email, but even in person, like, you could be like, you know what? I really thank you so much. I really need to think about that for a minute and figure out if I can make that work. Take a beat and cross reference it with what matters to you. Is it totally out of left field? And you're like, I don't know what to do with this. No, thank you. Then that's your response. Maybe you have to play with it a little bit. Depends on how you make decisions. But taking a beat and taking a couple, at least a couple of seconds, if not longer to respond and then maybe buying yourself more time to think about it. That's such a great strategy just in general.
[00:21:23] Speaker B: Yeah. Because I feel like we act a lot on reaction and when we react, we act on natural tendency, natural habits we have especially as people pleasers. And then we just all sudden we're in this conversation with the situation that we did not want to be in because we just naturally reacted. But it's like that pausing and like being proactive with our thoughts and pausing and being proactive with what we really want, which I love that of not being so reactive with things and emotionally driven. And when you talked about also saying no, I think with saying no, if we create the right boundaries, then we don't have to say no as often.
[00:21:59] Speaker A: Right.
[00:21:59] Speaker B: Like I know, for example, my mornings I have my gym, I have my school drop off and I have time, I need to just relax and have my time before I jump into work, which I probably won't jump into work until maybe 12. And that's just the morning I've created. And those I work for or any client, they just know I, I will not reply, I will not do anything in, in that time and I say not now. I'll respond, they'll get a response from me at 12 o'clock or later. And that's just something where I don't have to say no. That's just my routine and that's what I do in the morning and that's my space. And so I think the more you do that and people become familiar with that, there's just. You don't have to say no. It's just that's when you're there when that's when you're not.
So I, I really, I really love the more you create that boundary, create those routines when you're available. There's less no's that have to happen. I think too.
[00:22:47] Speaker A: Yeah. And piggybacking on that the, and also back to the you're teaching people how to treat you thing, you the boundaries are not there to create change in someone else. But sometimes that does happen. Right. Like back to the example of the woman who I worked with that wanted to create that hour of time in her morning. She had a direct report that would hop on 15 minutes after she did or something and just totally pepper her with teams of messages. And she's I Just I told her about this boundary and she like, she keeps messaging me and I was like, did you respond? She's no. And then I checked in with her like a week later and I asked her about that and I said so is she still doing that? And she's no. And actually she's created her own time boundary to where she's not doing the early morning teams thing either and she's doing whatever kind of quiet work that she's doing. So it's really permission giving to other people too is you don't have, you don't have to do things the way that you think you have to do.
[00:23:55] Speaker B: Well, and also in our culture of, of workaholicness and like you know, in other countries there's siestas, they have naps in the middle of the day. You go to certain countries and they'll come into work at 10 and maybe leave at 2. There is just like this relaxedness that is not in our culture over here. No. As much as other places. And I think it's just, especially with online work, like remote work too, we feel like this urgency of this pressure of like we have to respond now or else we're not a good CEO, we're not a good coworker. We're not. Because I've create the, created this space for myself. All goes back to that people pleasing of just like this invisible expectation that we all have to work ourselves to death just comes back into it. But more experience. I've had my business and with my priorities. Like you said, your priorities. You kind of like sometimes I should reflect and sit down and write out my day. When do I feel the best to work? When do I feel the best with my family? What do I enjoy the most? I enjoy, I love reading chapter books to my kids. Right. And I don't enjoy it when I have a meeting right after, when I, after I put them to bed. I don't want a meeting after I read them chapter book. I want to read them a chapter book. I want to spend time with them. I don't want to rush them out of my room and I want to then relax and read my own book. So it's like those kind of things where you're like where do I feel the best? And then where can I shift this meeting or my schedule over into a different day or a different time? We just have that flexibility as entrepreneurs and it's beautiful when you figure out you don't have to work every single day, every single second.
[00:25:18] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:25:19] Speaker B: More energy when you don't we put it into the right things? Right. Like in our work we feel more fulfilled and alive and excited. So.
[00:25:27] Speaker A: And it's so counterintuitive to what the culture says. And you know, it feels wrong. Right. Because we've been brought up in this hustle culture. But really, when you look at the data support, if you approach things in a more spacious manner by reading your kids books, by, by not starting your day until 12pm, like that means your 12 to 5pm block is way more productive because you have that energy that you've restored yourself to put into your work. Right. It's not about time served. If I could say one thing, it's. That's not the game, that's not what it is.
[00:26:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Things can wait and we can do a lot more in an hour when we're fulfilled in other parts of our life. So I love that. And before we talked about kind of like the boundary framework, which you talked about like the if then. But can you talk about all that a little bit more of. I know you had also a client example as well, but just talk about the boundary framework a little more of how someone can create one kind of step by step. I know we were expanding on that, dug into a little bit more, but yeah, yeah, sure.
[00:26:33] Speaker A: I want people to think about what they want to happen. Ideally. Right. Ideally that would match or line up with whatever priorities and values you have. Right. What do you want to ideally happen then you can structure your boundary around that. Right. Basically thinking what you want to happen. I don't want my afternoons to be interrupted because my mother in law comes over unannounced. I want to be informed before she comes over so that I can be prepared for it. That is how you create a boundary, right? Or in the entrepreneurial context, if a person who wants to work with me asks me if they can have a discount, my work has value in and of itself. I will not give you that discount because me doing that devalues what I offer, my service, my expertise, whatever it is. So I think when it comes to boundaries, getting back to your question, it's really less about how you structure them. Although no fair not letting people know about the boundary. You have to let them know. So like if they're involved, you can't just set the boundary and then not tell your mother in law about the whole calling thing. You have to inform them and have a conversation. But really it's about the enforcement. It's not about the boundary itself. It's about how you respond and how consistently you respond to that boundary. I know a lot of women in the 9 to 5 space, in the entrepreneurial space where they set a boundary, hey, I'm signing off at 5pm and someone comes in and they have something quote unquote urgent and it means that they're going to have to break their own boundary to help with the urgency of this other thing. And they get frustrated and resentful when they have to stay after their specified time to help with this urgent thing. Right. I set a boundary. I told you I can't stay after 5pm Just this once, whatever. It's that, that totally shatters any hope that you have of holding that boundary. Right. Because people don't believe that you've actually said it. And the consequence of not holding your boundary is that people are going to walk all over it from that moment forward. So if you have to focus on one time to hold your boundary, to just set the precedent, make it that first time, don't let exceptions happen. If you need to adjust your boundaries to be more realistic, that's fine. But like you have to be consistent with holding it.
[00:29:17] Speaker B: Yeah. And communicating it. And I liked how you were talking about like discounts. I know the big thing with entrepreneurs too is like pricing and discounts and charging too little. And I think a lot of that also comes from your thoughts of how you feel about money or how you feel about yourself and your, how you really feel about yourself. So when someone does say, can I have that 200 cheaper? Or that's too much, we start to have all these, oh, I'm not worth that or no one's ever going to buy this service. And we have these thoughts and these fears that come up. But I think it's always great to look for the evidence of when I do say no to this, what? There will be someone ready, right? There will be someone ready for this service or I'm making room for somebody to have the service. Because I think what's so common entrepreneurship is we take all of this lesser stuff and this low price, those low price things and fill our calendar up with it, then we have no room. We have no room for a client that takes more capacity to serve at a higher price that we have a better relationship with because we fill it up with everybody else that were low price that we just gave in to. And so I think there's always, there's always room for opportunity. If we let it, we have a space for it. It's just, I think so much time because we don't have the right boundaries. That we don't have that space anymore. So I just, I. I think there's so much freedom in having open space for opportunities. And that's what boundaries in my life has done for me, is I have open space for opportunities, and I can say, oh, opportunity comes my way. I have time for that because I've allowed myself to have space for that to come my way. I think we all need to hold that in entrepreneurship especially, is to open ourselves to opportunities and keep time open for that or a creative product or something that's going to come our way.
[00:31:02] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. And I love that idea that boundaries are actually freeing because we think about boundaries as being very, like, rigid and, like, putting up fences and stuff, but it's actually allowing us the freedom to operate fully as ourselves and the other person or situation gets to operate fully as itself. It's just like when we have attention here, this is how it goes.
And again, boundaries do not have to be big, scary things. They can be gentle, they can be loving and kind, or they can be assertive and you can step into your power. Both are okay. I think it's just personal preference. Once you learn how to actually hold a boundary, it's personal preference on how it works best for you.
[00:31:47] Speaker B: Yeah. And just continual, continual reflection, I think, to just continually assessing your energy, assessing your day, assessing how you felt with this situation. Not just letting things happen to us.
Oh, it's just. It's just the situation. It's just how that person is. It's just. I just have to deal with it. And I think as women, I think we're so often, I don't know, we're so used to being passive. We're not passive. Just like letting things happen and other things. Take the leader, other people, or especially men in the industry and entrepreneurship who have been in entrepreneurship for way longer than women have, we're so used to seeing that masculine leadership or the way that they lead, and we're just different. That's just the situation. That's just how we're treated. And we don't want to hurt people's feelings and all those things. So I love how women in entrepreneurship are really stepping up and creating those boundaries in their own way, in their own way. That's going to be, like you said, maybe not as assertive or something that's a little. That could be kinder or could be smaller. Could be. Doesn't have to be what someone else, how someone else does it. So thank you so much for sharing.
I mean, I just love how passionate you are. About this subject. It's so great to go back and forth because this is such a big topic in entrepreneurship. I see it so often and a lot of us are just not aware or connected and why it's happening and how simple. I love how you simply lay this out of just being aware of where energy is, where is it, how's our time spent, what matters to us and then how can we make that come forward in our life and business? So thank you so much. I would love for you just like the last thing to share, if you want to, is a failure turn learning lesson in your business. If you want to share something that again, like business is hard, like what was a failure turn learning lesson and share with everybody.
[00:33:23] Speaker A: So I was thinking about this one and I think my failure turned lesson is you don't like, especially in the entrepreneur space, you don't have to have it all figured out right away and in fact you won't. So just release that expectation altogether. I started out as a money coach for women and I loved my clients that I worked with. But they would come in wanting to talk about money and we would end up talking about the stuff that I just talked with you about. Like, you know, so I was like, well, maybe we can actually offer that service instead of this other service. And I had such a big part of my identity wrapped up in that that it was really hard to let it go. But now, like, this is obviously the better situation. But I made it wrong. I made it a failure. But it wasn't. It was just, it's all a big experiment. Take your data, move forward. Like it means nothing about your competence or your capability or your ability to succeed.
[00:34:25] Speaker B: I love that. And I love that. I think that's a definition about entrepreneurship is. I think we, we always think we have this path of the college and the career and we're going to stick with our whole life and we've had that in our mind. And when you're an entrepreneur, it's not. It's just fluid. You develop as a person, like you said, and so will your business. And we have to be okay with the pivots and the changes and it just gets better and better from there. So I love how you said just not making your whole business your identity and sticking so close to it. And if it doesn't go how it's supposed to go, then it's a learning lesson. It's something that's going to take you to your next step. So I love that. I love that so much. Awesome. Thank you so much for being on today. Where can everyone find you and connect with you?
[00:35:04] Speaker A: Oh yeah, absolutely. Nectricano.com, very easy. Trucano is T R U C A N o I also am on Instagram at megtruccano but also I wanted to share with your audience if they're interested. I have a free tool to track your time and energy.
So we were talking about that a little bit and this is a really awesome way to get a snapshot of your time expenditure and what takes your energy and what gives you energy so you could play around with moving things around as you like. And I also just released a short podcast style audio series that I hope people will check out. We do a deep dive on lots of topics that we talked on today so there's more goodies in there for people. But yeah, I'd love to send you the links you can post in the show notes.
[00:35:57] Speaker B: Yes, it'll also be on the show notes in the description of this podcast that you're listening to so you can check out all of her links, all of her awesome resources as you just talked about, which sounds amazing. I love the little podcast training of deep dives. So awesome. It was just a joy to have you on today. Thank you so much.
[00:36:12] Speaker A: Thank you so much for having me. It was a real pleasure.
